Wednesday, July 09, 2008

Stupidity on Liberty

This article is an example of exactly what is wrong with the current debate on liberties, the reporter decries the fact he was constantly asked for his papers while in Russia and then engaging in the ridiculous idea that introducing an ID card will lead to this kind of situation. It's exactly the kind of stupid hypebole I was going on about in my last post.

So, where to start. Perhaps even the fact that this is quite specifically excluded from the proposed legislation.
Perhaps the fact that those wonderfully opressive countries of Spain, or Germany have had ID cards for years and have not accidently become police states while everyone was asleep. Or perhaps the fact that Britain's Worst Prime Minister managed to impose exactly the kind of police control the author is referring to without the aid of an ID card system.

I really do despair at some of the debate in this Civil Liberties business, and while we're at it my own party doesn't seem to be making that much effort about it either. Needless hyperbole vs disinterest does not exactly make a great debate.


Ian_QT said...

Since you think Labour are the dogs bollocks and the Tories are, well, just bollocks, has it never occurred to you that once the 'database state' infrastructure is in place, a Government that make Thatcher's Tories look like fluffy bunnies in comparison could get into power...

It's all very well supporting the powers that be, but what about the powers that might be?

Miller 2.0 said...

But we have had a 'database state' since the 1960s.

The difference is that we currently have a confused mess of different databases.

Andreas Paterson said...

Ian QT - Indeed I have, my last post suggested that many of those who make this argument never go into more detail on the subject. The thing is, there are plenty of current and historical examples of regimes that have managed to control their citizens using databases far less complex than what we already have in this country.

As Tom says, we've had a database state for a long time and the private sector has even more extensive databases. I think the dangers of the database state are seriously overstated. What worries me far more is extension of government powers which is why I think 42 days is a far more serious threat.